Lawfare Daily: Chris Hughes on His New Book, ‘Marketcrafters’

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🗓️ 22 April 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Chris Hughes, author of “Marketcrafters” and co-founder of the Economic Security Project, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at Texas Law and Contributing Editor at Lawfare, to discuss his book and its implications at a time of immense economic uncertainty and political upheaval. The duo explore several important historical case studies that Chris suggests may have lessons worth heeding in the ongoing struggle to direct markets toward the public good.

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1:06.4	Market craft in and of itself is not normative.
1:09.8	It is a method for using private sector forces to achieve a political end, and we will disagree about those political ends.
1:18.6	It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at Texas Law and a contributing editor at Lawfare.
1:26.6	Joined by Chris Hughes, author
1:28.8	of MarketCrafters and co-founder of the Economic Securities Project.
1:33.7	I think you really do need all three of these things for MarketCraft to be effective.
1:38.2	You need the clear mission. You need the discretion of power to move forward and to do that
1:44.0	confidently. And you need and to do that confidently.
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