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🗓️ 26 March 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Shane Harris of The Atlantic joins Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes to talk about war planning on Signal, the Trump administration’s remarkable security lapse, and the testimony of the country’s intelligence chiefs that came in its wake.

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0:26.9	and The Aftermath.
0:31.8	Every day, incredible women are working to keep the public safe from terrorism.
0:36.2	None of my family or friends would believe me
0:38.5	if I said, this is what I do for a job. I'm Amy and I work in communications at counterterrorism
0:43.7	policing. And to celebrate international women's day, I wanted to share the stories of some of those
0:48.8	women. You don't know what people are capable of. You read about things or you hear about things
0:53.8	and you think,
0:57.3	oh, I'll never experience that or I'll never have to deal with that and then you do.
1:01.7	Listen to it inside counterterrorism policing, wherever you get your podcast from.
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1:11.5	They're whistling because they found a great deal for unlimited calls, texts and data with three business.
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1:44.6	It is trivially easy to add the wrong person to your group or someone who's not supposed to be in the group, which of course is what happened in this case. So there are a number of reasons why Signal is not approved for war
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