Hey everybody this is Aubrey Chavez from Faith Matters.

Today we're bringing you a really special episode with Brian McLaren on his new book

Life After Doom, Wisdom and Courage for a world falling apart.

Though we recorded this conversation weeks ago it feels especially timely now in light of the horrific violence that we witnessed last weekend in the attempt on former President Trump's life and the deadly heat waves and hurricanes happening across the world and so much else.

This book is an empowering call to action

and an invitation to do the kind of inner work that makes us brave

in the face of real fear and uncertainty.

Brian asks, what if it doesn't turn out? How will we face the future if things get worse instead of better?

He offers gentle encouragement to reach deeper into ourselves and find a stronger, more resilient type of hope.

The kind that as Vachlav Havel says is not the certainty

that things will turn out as we wish, but the conviction that some things are worth doing

no matter how they turn out. Brian's insights challenge us to rethink our understanding of end times and to explore

what is worth doing no matter what, and to see the concept of chosenness not as a privilege

for the select few, but as a call to loving service for all.

For those of you who've already heard Brian,

you know that you're in for a treat.

And for anyone who hasn't,

Brian is a former pastor turned author and public theologian.

He's truly a special teacher and someone who's affected the way we live in lasting ways.

He seems to see the world and everything in it through the eyes of a mystic, and its real interconnectedness

and deep spiritual beauty.

We're so incredibly grateful that he came back on the show and you can find out more about Brian on his website

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