Hi, everyone back to Bad on Paper podcast. I'm Becca Freeman. And I'm Olivia Mentor.

And we have a bit of a different episode for you today. We are talking about rejection and failure.

And we have two very amazing guests who are very vulnerably sharing about some of their lowest moments and how they came out of that and what they learned from

them. Yeah, this is a topic that I could listen to people talk about all day long. So I left both

of these interviews feeling so inspired and ready to just, you know, move forward confidently, like failure or not, because they are both so

successful and so smart and so interesting. And it just proves that, you know, we all go through

those low moments, even if we see the highlights from the outside. Yeah. Yeah. Well, before we get

into these conversations, let's do some highs and lows. What is your high?

My high is actually inspired by these interviews we did because I think you were talking about it.

We were all talking about the fact that like when we get negative feedback of any kind on our work or writing, like that's the stuff that tends to stick around.

And I have actually, in the past few weeks, gotten two very lovely emails from people.

And I wanted to take a moment to shout them out because they made me feel so good.

And I just love whenever someone just, like, sits down at their laptop and they're like,

you know what, I'm going to go out of my way to do something really nice. And so I got this email

this week from this listener of the podcast named Abby. And she was saying how much she enjoys my

desk tours on Substack, which was so kind.

And she told me that she actually was inspired by the series to use it as an engagement activity in her job.

She works with a remote health tech startup.

This is what she said.

I thought maybe a handful of coworkers would be willing to share their desks and they did

this via slides.

Ultimately, she said it was such a hit that over 30 coworkers spread across the United States participated and we all learn new

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