Hi, I'm David Boreh. And I am his dear friend Langston Kerman. And we host My Mama Told Me,

a podcast about black conspiracy theories. We just did a spectacular live show with some of your

favorite comedians on the planet. David, tell them who was there. We had the Kid Mero, Marie Faustin,

and we had Djibuki Young White.

Some of your favorite comedians playing some of the most offensive and groundbreaking games.

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Welcome to Creature Feature, production of IHeart Radio. I'm your host of many parasites, Katie Golden.

I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, and today on the show,

They're not dinosaurs, but they're really cool.

Oh my God, what's that thing?

That's right, folks.

We are talking about pre-dinosaur animals who are really cool, really wild, really, really hard for paleontologists to put together the sordid history of pre-dinosaur animals.

We should have had a movie about these guys taking over a park and making people question, you know, whether or not

science has gone too far. So, joining me today is paleontologist, science communicator, museum

educator, and perhaps most importantly of all, a metal guitarist, Dane Pavett. Welcome.

All right. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited. So I am not really an expert in these

sorts of animals, the pre-dinosaur guys. In fact, dinosaurs, I'm not even that well-versed in

because most of what I know are animals that are still alive given that it's the easiest to observe their behavior.

But I think what is so fascinating to me about paleontology is the lack of direct observation that you can do and how you guys are kind of like, almost like forensic

detectives piecing together these animals?

Yeah, absolutely.

So there's various different branches of how we can do this.

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