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Much else, besides coming up on the pod in just a moment. But first,

as ever, we kick off with the Columnists.

The Columnists on Times Radio.

Yes, it's time we'll always speak to two of our favourite Columnists.

And to date, we are joined by Times Columnists, Matthew Syed.

Hi, Matthew.

Hey, Matt.

Good to have you with us.

And the spectators, but it's going to Katie Balls is here. Hi, Katie.

Morning, Matt.

So we are talking about who's got hard jobs.

We've got this poll, which shows that most people think that being a surgeon,

the most people think of being a surgeon.

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