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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Live From DC: Turning Middle-Out Economics into Good Politics

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Timid tweaks won’t fix a broken economy. From Nick Hanauer’s blunt critique of Democratic incrementalism to a candid conversation with Representatives Ro Khanna, Delia Ramirez, and Jim Himes on how Democrats can reclaim working-class trust by embracing economic populism and fighting for real change, this episode brings you inside the 2025 Middle Out Economics conference, where the message was clear: Go big or get out of the way. Moderator: Harold Meyerson, The American Prospect Rep. Jim Himes, 4th congressional district, Connecticut Rep. Ro Khanna, 17th congressional district, California Rep. Delia Ramirez, 3rd congressional district, Illinois Further reading:  Measuring the Income Gap from 1975 to 2023 Adieu to Laissez-Faire Trade Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Threads: pitchforkeconomics Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social Twitter: @PitchforkEcon, @NickHanauer, @civicaction YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics Substack: The Pitch

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0:00.0

The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory.

0:11.0

The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked. But what's the alternative?

0:16.0

Middle-out economics is the answer. Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence.

0:23.1

That's right.

0:28.7

This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out.

0:36.9

Welcome to the show.

0:44.2

Hey, Pitchfork listeners, Goldie here.

0:47.6

I recently came back from our nation's capital for our second annual middle out conference.

0:57.2

This year's was titled, Looking Forward, Looking Back, where middle out economics goes from here. And as it was last year, it was hosted

1:04.8

by our friends at Democracy, a journal of ideas. I have to say, last years was a bit more fun and a bit more optimistic,

1:15.8

what with us not having a lunatic in the White House. But despite the broadly realistic

1:21.9

assessment of the shit show we're in, there was still a lot of thought-provoking commentary

1:27.2

and even, dare I say,

1:29.4

a little bit of optimism from our panelists and keynote speakers. All in all, the event was a

1:35.2

great success and while I apologize in advance for the audio quality, we thought we'd share

1:41.7

a little bit of it with you anyway. To start with, here's a brief

1:45.4

excerpt from Nick's keynote address. I've been working on the overtime threshold since

1:53.2

2014, and what the labor department did was small, and if I may use this phrase, chicken shit, they chose to, you know,

2:05.1

attempt to raise the overtime threshold to include a few million workers when their option

2:09.4

was to include 30 million workers, if they had merely raised the threshold back to where

2:15.5

it once was. And I highlight that because I think that's the central

2:21.0

problem. This is emblematic of the central problem of the Democratic Party is that we don't know

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