You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience. And maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

So anyway, one morning I woke up.

By this time, he's getting bigger.

He's growing out of his clothes.

And I looked down at him.

He was in a carricot.

And I thought, this isn't fair on him.

As a teenage mom, alone in 1960s London, Leslie Pierce had been determined to keep hold of her baby

son Warren.

Unable to confide in her family, she'd done her best to find a job and a home.

But without anyone to turn to for support, she was running out of options.

I've got no money, no hope, no future. It's impossible. Someone can give them a proper home.

You're listening to Lives Less Ordinary, with me, Osia Fuchs, and with best-selling romance novelist Leslie Pierce.

This is actually the second part of Leslie's story. So if you've come here

first, I recommend going back and listening to Part 1. These days, Leslie's books have won awards

and sold millions of copies around the world. Back in 1964, though, that glimmering future

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