Just a heads up everyone.

These are adults having adult conversations,

so there is the possibility of adult language. Hi everyone and welcome to Magic Lessons, a podcast produced by Maximum Fun.org and

Riverhead Books.

I'm Elizabeth Gilbert and I just wrote this book called Big Magic, Creative Living Beyond Fear.

But even when I was finished with the book, I didn't feel like I was really finished with the subject.

So I wanted to make this podcast where I could take the subject of creativity out into the world and have real conversations with real people about it.

And that's where magic lessons come from.

And what are magic lessons?

Roadmaps for the path to creativity, the extra nudge we need when we're

feeling stuck in our creative lives.

Hey everyone, welcome to Magic Lessons. I'm Liz Gilbert. Today on Magic Lessons I have a really special guest. So much of the stuff that keeps people from making their creative work is fear, fear of being vulnerable, fear of being

exposed, fear of being rejected, fear of the shame that can come along with trying to make something

and somehow feeling like it didn't come out right.

So today I wanted to call the most sage and wise and generous person I know on the topics of vulnerability and

courage. My dear friend, Brenay Brown. Oh my goodness is that Brenay Brown?

How are you, friend? Thank you so much for coming on.

Oh my God, I wouldn't have missed it for the world.

And I've been saving you.

I've been saving you because I wanted to talk to you at the end after I had spoken to everybody.

So I've been coaching these five incredible women who are from

different creative lives to writers a musician a painter and a photographer and

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