Just a heads up everyone.

These are adults having adult conversations,

so there is the possibility of adult language.

Hi everyone and welcome to Magic Lessons, a podcast produced by Maximum Fun.org and

Riverhead Books.

I'm Elizabeth Gilbert and I just wrote this book called Big Magic, Creative Living Beyond Fear.

But even when I was finished with the book, I didn't feel like I was really finished with the subject.

So I wanted to make this podcast where I could take the subject of creativity out into the world and have real conversations with real people about it.

And that's where magic lessons come from.

And what are magic lessons?

Roadmaps for the path to creativity, the extra nudge we need when we're

feeling stuck in our creative lives.

Hey everyone, welcome to Magic Lessons. I'm Liz Gilbert. And today I'm

calling Melissa Phillips in California. Hi is that Melissa this is Melissa Melissa.

Melissa. It's Liz Gilbert. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Thank you so much for being part of this. Well thank you for having me. This is pretty exciting.

Oh well let's let's get a magic lesson.

Should we do it?

Should we try?

Yes, let's try.

So listen, I was really, really touched by your letter and I was wondering if I could ask you to essentially

go over what you had said to me about why you wanted to talk and what's going on with your

creative life right now. Do you mind just doing that for us?

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