Just a heads up everyone.

These are adults having adult conversations,

so there is the possibility of adult language. Hi everyone and welcome to Magic Lessons, a podcast produced by Maximum Fun.org and

Riverhead Books.

I'm Elizabeth Gilbert and I just wrote this book called Big Magic, Creative Living Beyond Fear.

But even when I was finished with the book, I didn't feel like I was really finished with the subject.

So I wanted to make this podcast where I could take the subject of creativity out into the world and have real conversations with real people about it.

And that's where magic lessons come from.

And what are magic lessons?

Roadmaps for the path to creativity, the extra nudge we need when we're

feeling stuck in our creative lives.

Hey everyone, welcome to Magic Lessons. I'm Liz Gilbert. And today I'm calling Betsy Moore in Oregon. Hello is that Betsy?

Yes, this is Betsy. Hey Betsy? This is Betsy.

Hey Betsy, it's Liz Gilbert, how are you?

Fine, thank you. I'm so glad to speak with you.

Are you kidding? I'm so glad to speak with you.

Oh dear, we'll see.

Yeah. Oh, we'll see. Oh, we'll see.

We're going in there.

Thank you so much for coming on the padcast and let's have a magic lesson.

You up for it?

I am up for it.

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