Just a heads up everyone.

These are adults having adult conversations,

so there is the possibility of adult language. Hi everyone and welcome to Magic Lessons, a podcast produced by Maximum Fun.org and

Riverhead Books.

I'm Elizabeth Gilbert and I just wrote this book called Big Magic, Creative Living Beyond Fear.

But even when I was finished with the book, I didn't feel like I was really finished with the subject.

So I wanted to make this podcast where I could take the subject of creativity out into the world and have real

conversations with real people about it.

And that's where magic lessons come from.

And what are magic lessons?

Roadmaps for the path to creativity, the extra nudge we need when we're feeling

stuck in our creative lives.

Hey everyone, welcome to Magic Lessons. I'm Liz Gilbert and today I'm

calling Casey Catelli in San Francisco. Hey is that Casey?

Hello! Sweetie! How's it going? Hey is that kasy? Hello?

Sweetie.

It's going great. How are you?

Good.

Thank you for being part of magic lessons.

Yeah, I'm psyched.

So should we begin?

Should we do a magic lesson? we try yeah sure let's do it I know a little bit about you already because I've been sort of snooping around your website looking at what you've been up to but why don't you tell the rest of us who you are and what the

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