When I first started the podcast eight years ago, I wanted to have my good friend Bob Gettle on the show.

He was the original co-host that I imagined. When I first came up with the idea of this podcast,

I was like, oh, man, me and Bob, this is going to be awesome. He's super funny. He's a therapist.

We're really good friends. He always has interesting things to say. And I asked him about it. And Bob was like, no, are you kidding me? That's stupid. Who wants to do a pocket? No, that's not exactly what he said. But he said no. Why did you say no back then anyway? I don't know if I have anything worthwhile to say. To say, yeah. Well, I don't have anything worthwhile

to say either. That's never stopped me from making a podcast. You just have more scruples when it comes

to that sort of thing. So Bob was like, nah, not really interested. And then I was like,

oh, man, I had this whole thing in my head like well it's got to be me and Bob and then

I because I didn't want to do it by myself and then I thought well geez who else would do it and I

thought well umberto he's not a therapist but he likes to talk a lot so maybe he'd like to do it with me

and so I asked himberto and and he ended up being a great co-host and then Lita as well. And the rest is history.

But periodically I would, you know, Bob and I would hang out the original person I had in

mind for this podcast and I'd be like, man, you should come on the podcast. And he'd be like,

oh yeah, maybe. And then finally we able, we were able to lock down today. I can't believe that you're here, Bob. I'm so happy.

Oh, thank you. It's so nice to be here. Yeah. So I want to talk with you, since you're a therapist,

I often have a lot of Yahoo's on the podcast that know nothing about our profession. And so

it's wonderful to have an actual clinician that we can we can you know

talk about shop stuff because I know a lot of therapists listen to this this is the

psychology in Seattle podcast I'm your host dr. Kirkonda I am chair of the couple in

family therapy program at Antioch University Seattle and I'm also a licensed marriage

of family therapist Bob why don't you introduce yourself oh my name's Bob Gettle. I am a licensed mental health counselor here in the city of

Seattle. I work in my own practice. I do a lot of individual counseling, of course, and then in the last

10 years, and then more seriously, in the last last five years I've gotten interested in marriage

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