Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Matt Stola, director

of research at the American Economic Liberties Project, a contributor on the YouTube show

Breaking Point, author of Goliath, the Hundred Year War between monopoly power and democracy.

Matt is essentially a policy wank and advisor within the Democrat Party, but a fantastic

geezer and a beautiful fella who once had the job of being my sidekick on an FX show I

did called Brand X in the United States. Don't worry, no one did. It's a fantastic conversation.

You're really in joy. It's brilliant to hear someone who understand the nuts and bolts

of bureaucracy. And in particular, I learned from that conversation that why politics is so

surging and slow moving. And it further inspired me, in my belief, that what we really require

is radical change that will not come from within existing political systems. Yeah.

So here's some listener shout out. Gemma Johnson says, I just listened to your latest podcast.

We have Nicholas Glynos. Great episode. Thank you. Yeah, we talked about psychedelics.

It was brilliant. Lily Finley says, my name is Lily and I'm a 21-year-old avid listener from New

Zealand. I want to thank you for the amazing work you do and the beautiful mind you connect to

your audience with. I especially enjoyed your under the skin episode with Paul Kingsnorth.

Yeah, I love him. You two spoke such accurate words to the feelings and reality I've been struggling

and described for a while now. I've noticed in my local circles how disconnected we've become from

one another nature and the divine. If we continue with an individualistic outlook on life, we may never

find collective power against elites. Lily, I think those are all in really important points.

I read Paul's stuff pretty regularly on Substack and what I find interesting about him.

He's his willingness to be mobile with Christian thoughts. He's a Christian.

But you know, sometimes when Christianity seems like a shortcut, we think, oh God, these people

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