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Honestly with Bari Weiss

Meet Sarah Wynn-Williams, Facebook’s Highest-Ranking Whistleblower

Honestly with Bari Weiss

The Free Press

News, Society & Culture

4.67.8K Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

You may have never heard of Sarah Wynn-Williams, but that’s about to change.  She’s written a memoir about her nearly seven years at Facebook, the company that has since rebranded as Meta. In doing so, she’s become the company’s highest-ranking whistleblower.  Until around 72 hours ago, the book’s existence itself was a secret. Wynn-Williams, a onetime New Zealand diplomat, was effectively the company’s top envoy to governments around the world. She traveled extensively with Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg—the company’s two top leaders during her time—and her experiences with them often read like pure comedy, a mix of Succession and The Office.  The book, however, is a lot more than that. It’s a shocking insider’s account of working at one of the world’s most powerful companies at the highest level, and the gap between the idealistic way it sold itself to its employees and the world.  It’s called Careless People: A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism. And it coincides with the news that Wynn-Williams has filed an SEC complaint against the company, alleging that Zuckerberg agreed to crack down on the account of a high-profile Chinese dissident living in the U.S. in the hopes that it would help convince Beijing to allow Facebook into China.  On today’s Honestly, Bari and Wynn-Williams discuss her bizarre experiences, her thoughts on the future of Facebook, the pushback she’s already received, and why she wrote this book—despite the risk of taking on a corporate behemoth like Meta.  Header 6: The Free Press earns a commission from any purchases made through all book links in this article. If you liked what you heard from Honestly, the best way to support us is to go to TheFP.com and become a Free Press subscriber today. Go to groundnews.com/Honestly to get 40% off the unlimited access Vantage plan and unlock world-wide perspectives on today’s biggest news stories. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

From the free press, this is honestly, and I'm Barry Weiss. You've probably never heard of Sarah

0:05.7

Wyn Williams, but I suspect that's about to change. Sarah's written a memoir about her more than six

0:11.4

years at Facebook, the company that has since rebranded as meta. She's the highest-level staffer

0:17.0

to come forward as a whistleblower, and until around 72 hours ago, the book's existence

0:22.6

was a secret.

0:24.2

A one-time New Zealand diplomat, Sarah was the company's top envoy to governments around the

0:29.2

world.

0:30.2

She traveled extensively with people like Mark Zuckerberg and Cheryl Sandberg, and her experience

0:35.0

with them and other top brass at Facebook often read like

0:38.5

scenes straight out of Veep or Succession. But the book is a lot more than that. It's an

0:43.5

insider's account of working at one of the most powerful companies at the highest level,

0:48.0

and the gap between the idealistic way it sold itself to its employees and the world,

0:53.3

and the reality of what it actually

0:55.4

looked like to grow at any cost.

0:57.9

The book is called Careless People, a cautionary tale of power, greed, and lost idealism.

1:04.7

The memoir comes out today.

1:06.9

It happens to coincide with the news that Sarah Wyn Williams has also filed an SEC complaint against the company.

1:14.7

It alleges that Mark Zuckerberg agreed to crack down on the account of a high-profile Chinese dissident living in the U.S.

1:21.7

at the request of a ranking CCP member, all in the hopes that it would help Facebook enter China. The book itself

1:29.8

goes into great detail about what the company tried to do in order to get into business in an

1:35.6

authoritarian country. I ask Sarah about all of that, her bizarre experiences, her thoughts on the

1:42.3

future of Facebook, the pushback she's already received,

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