Hello everyone and welcome to talk nerdy. Today is Monday, July 8th,

2024 and I'm the host of the show, Kara Santa Maria. And as always before we

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pledges and sort of what comes along with them. All right let's get into it so this

week I had the opportunity to chat with Brandon Kime. He is a science journalist with a special interest

in nature and animals. He is a contributing editor at Nautilus magazine and he's written for all sorts of outlets that you know and love like the New York Times, the Atlantic, the Guardian, National Geographic, the Boston Globe, and others.

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