No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today, I'm connecting with somebody very big

fan of the journalism that you've been doing over the last couple of years. Megan Kuhniff

is in the building. Thanks for having me so much. Yeah, very, very excited to meet you.

So I watched the Vlad interview and got a lot of in-depth perspective into the trial itself

and everything. But can we start with like how you sort of ended up in this position of

doing this kind of reporting in the first place? Yeah, yeah. It was a long road through

kind of traditional journalism, basically. Like it was always kind of a dream to cover celebrity

trials, but I never thought that I'd actually be doing it. You know, I grew up in Kervales, Oregon

and didn't really come from a family that had much like connections to, you know, East Coast media

or, you know, I don't know, we were pretty down home in Kervales, like going up to Portland and

Seattle was like a big deal for stuff. But my dad was a lawyer, like a country lawyer,

did criminal defense and kind of anything. I mean, civil stuff, divorce cases, that kind of thing.

And he was really interested in the media and cases, you know, anything big going on in the press.

He was always paid attention to current events, like the OJKs and everything. So that always kind of

stuck with me. And I went to University of Oregon, which was just down the road from Kervales,

got into journalism there, worked at the high school paper too, but always kind of wanted

to go into journalism and then ended up in Spokane, Washington, working at the paper there for like

six or seven years. And that was kind of where I got my start, not that kind of, that was totally

what I heard. So what would your media diet have been like in college? So I was reading the New

York Times, like really interested into politics stuff, trying to get into that. We read the

register guard because that was the local paper in Eugene. And we were covering the University of

Oregon. So we were interested in like what the administration was doing. We were interested in

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