Mentalization Based Therapy (MBT), with Dr. Anthony W. Bateman, MA, FRCPSYCH and Dr. Peter Fonagy, Ph.D., FBA

Psychiatry & Psychotherapy Podcast

David J Puder

Science, Health & Fitness, Medicine

4.8 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2024

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Anthony W. Bateman and Dr. Peter Fonagy to discuss their expertise on Mentalization.

Mentalization refers to the capacity to reflect upon and understand one's own state of mind and the states of mind of others. This involves recognizing and making sense of one's own and others’ emotions, beliefs, needs and desires. People use this tool consciously and unconsciously to make sense of others and themselves. Often done automatically, a person may form beliefs about the people they interact with, making assumptions about their mental states. These beliefs tend to have a strong influence on the mental state of the person, whether or not they are correct.

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0:00.0	Welcome back to the podcast. I am joined today with Dr. Anthony Bateman and Dr. Peter
0:21.8	Fornege. And this is an episode on mentalization-based therapy. We're going to talk about borderline
0:27.4	personality disorder. We're going to talk about how they got to the development of what I would
0:34.8	say is the key psychotherapies for borderline personality disorder that work. We're going to talk
0:40.6	about their pivotal paper, maybe about reflective function and how that impacts the outcome therapist
0:47.7	have with their clients. Welcome to the podcast. It's a pleasure having you guys. I thought we'd
0:53.7	start out maybe just talking a little bit about your story and how you met and how you started
1:00.5	working together. Dr. Bateman, I understand you're a psychiatrist and you were working with in a
1:07.4	unit with borderline personality disorder and it's a social personality disorder. Is that correct? And
1:12.2	then Dr. Fornege, you were paired up together to run research in this unit. Is that how it started?
1:21.3	Yeah, to a large extent. I'd say it did start like that. We met in the main, I suppose, when we
1:28.4	were both training a psychoanalysts and I was working in the health service in the UK in North
1:37.0	London and Peter was working both in the health service and in the university. And I took over
1:44.6	a service for people who turned out that I discovered to have borderline personality disorder.
1:52.0	I wanted to engage in research and Peter's an expert in research, much more so than I was.
1:57.6	And so I totalled along and said, Peter, how do we do this thing called research? He said,
2:02.5	oh, come on. Let's pull this together and that's how it started. So we had a whole patient
2:09.4	population and we had to research expertise and then some clinical expertise and we just
2:14.9	pieced all that together. What do you remember from that, Dr. Fornege?
2:20.0	Well, I have a slightly different slant and it because Dr. Bittman, as usual, is exceedingly
2:28.6	modest and he is a person who is committed to helping his patients and he was confronted with
2:41.0	a group of patients that were urgently in need of assistance but at the same time he did not
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