Hello, beloved listeners. This is Adrienne Marie Brown, a luscious black queer witch

writer, Auntie, an apocalyptic cosmic optimist

and a gardener of healing ideas. I live in the land of the Shikori, Skoruri, Tuscarora, and

Lombie peoples, also known as Durham, North Carolina. And this is how to survive the end of the world, our podcast

about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity. You may have noticed that my

sister Autumn's voice has not come on here yet. That is because she's having a home emergency.

She and all the people in it are fine, but the house is kind of having things. And so

she's got to attend to it in an urgent way. And I'm here. I'm having a pain flare and I've

been sick for a week, but I am here. And we're going to talk about that a little bit,

what it means to keep showing up through changing conditions. Our podcast, I want to remind you,

has no ads. We've held that this whole time. We are fully listener supported. And you can

join our Patreon, both to get exclusive content and to support the work we do in an ongoing way.

It means a lot to us that you, that you care enough to give a little something back if it's

doing something for you.

It really helps us to know that.

So that's my plug for Patreon.

And I'm really excited about our guest today, Celine Saman, who is one of the founders of Slow Factory and the author

of a book called A Woman is a school. Selene is a Lebanese American researcher with some

Canadian history that we're going to get into, but a researcher, a designer, public speaker,

an entrepreneur, and I am adding to her bio that she is also an incredible

writer and storyteller. She is the co-founder and executive director of Slow Factory, which is an

institute and lab that transforms socially and environmentally harmful systems by designing

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