Welcome back to Drilled. I'm Amy Westerveld. Today we're bringing you another one of these conversations. I've been calling

messy conversations where we get into lots of different aspects of the climate crisis and how we're talking about it today.

My guest is Mary Anais Hagler, who you might remember as my co-host on the podcast Hot Take.

You might also know Mary from her many excellent essays on the climate crisis and especially how it intersects with civil rights.

A few years ago she wrote an essay for the Boston Globe about how she felt as a woman

living in the world of climate crisis and constantly being asked for her thoughts on whether she wanted to have kids.

That story ended up being a lot about how she interacted with her nephew and how she

thought and talked to him about climate and that ended up becoming a children's

book which is out today it's's called The World is Ours to Cherish and it's an

excellent way to start talking to the kids in your life about climate. This is a topic that I find really difficult. I have kids and I get

asked all the time about how to talk to them about climate. The assumption being

that I have figured that out and I have not so I thought I'd have

Mary on to talk about that and her book and of course Mary being Mary and me being me

lots of other things that have nothing to do with either of those as well.

That conversation is coming up right after this quick break.

Environmental Justice is a talking point in every politician's toolkit.

But do you ever wonder where it all began?

On this week's throughline, we're taking you back to 1978, where a fight against a toxic dump in North Carolina

started the Environmental Justice Movement.

Join NPR's Climate Week and listen to Thuleine wherever you get your podcasts.

If you're listening to this show you are probably at least climate curious.

And one thing that I get asked all the time is, okay, I understand that this is a big problem.

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