Messy Conversations: Magatte Wade, Atlas Network's Center for African Prosperity

Drilled

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🗓️ 1 November 2023

⏱️ 80 minutes

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We'll be back with the rest of our anti-protest season soon, but in the meantime, welcome to a new Drilled miniseries we're calling "Messy Conversations," getting into all the complicated nuance that unfortunately gets cut out of a lot of climate conversations. This week, Magatte Wade, who runs the Center for African Prosperity at the Atlas Network. She wasn't too happy with our recent coverage of Atlas, so we talked about that, the idea that solving poverty and addressing the climate crisis are mutually exclusive, where free speech ends and property rights begin for libertarians, and a whole lot more. Links: Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC): https://www.arcforum.com/ DeSmog profile of ARC: https://www.desmog.com/alliance-for-responsible-citizenship-arc/ DeSmog coverage of ARC 2023 forum: https://www.desmog.com/2023/10/26/gop-climate-denier-vivek-ramaswamy-headlining-jordan-peterson-arc-conference/ Narasimha Rao's Decent Living Energy Project: https://www.decentlivingenergy.org/ Our Guyana season: https://drilled.media/podcasts/drilled#season-8 Center for African Prosperity: https://www.atlasnetwork.org/partners/center-for-african-prosperity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome back to Drilled. I'm Amy Westerville. A little bit earlier this season.
0:11.7	We ran an episode on a global network of think tanks called the Atlas Network. We did
0:18.8	a print piece as well. A version of that piece ran with the new Republic and a couple
0:25.7	of other outlets. And in that work, we looked at some of the ideas and tactics that seemed
0:32.0	to be spreading across the Atlas network, aimed at laying the groundwork to criminalize certain
0:38.4	types of environmental protests. I had actually reached out to Atlas wanting to interview someone
0:43.8	about the network and specifically wanting to talk to a woman named Magat Wade who runs their
0:50.2	Center for African Prosperity. I didn't hear anything back and to be honest, I kind of assumed
0:56.5	that they just didn't want to talk to me because Atlas sort of has that reputation. So that was me
1:02.0	maybe being a little bit lazy. Anyway, after that story came out, Wade was pretty upset about it.
1:08.8	And she took to Twitter and challenged me, our reporter Jeff Dambicki, a new Republic editor
1:15.9	Molly Taft to a debate. I let her know that actually I had really wanted to talk to her for the
1:21.8	story and I tried. So I would love to schedule a time to talk and talk we did. I was definitely
1:28.1	a little debatey sometimes, but also an interesting window into how certain ideas about the climate
1:34.8	movement are being shaped. We're going to get back to our anti-protest series soon. But in the meantime,
1:42.0	I'm going to be bringing you some bonus episodes featuring what I've been calling messy conversations.
1:49.2	Sometimes with people I don't necessarily agree with. Sometimes with people I very much do.
1:55.2	First up, Magat Wade who heads up the Center for African Prosperity for the Atlas Network.
2:02.2	This week she's at a convening for a new group that brings together quite a few different Atlas
2:08.9	member think tank folks. It's called the Alliance for Responsibles Citizenship. It's spearheaded
2:16.5	by Jordan Peterson, backed by several of the entities that funded the push for Brexit.
2:24.2	And includes not only folks like Magat and Arthur Brooks, the former president of the American
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