Well, I'm gonna tell you, fascists. You may be surprised. People in this world are getting organized. You found a loose, and you fascists found a loose.

So I recently watched the little known Werner Herzog film, where I should say lesser known Werner Herzog film, Wings of Hope. Have you seen that one?

You know, would you believe I have not? That is one of... That is one of the few that I have not seen.

So I'm sorry. I won't have much to contribute. Tell me what it is.

You haven't seen this one, but you've seen like the... Have you watched like the Kuwait one, where there's like no actual voiceover, and it's just kind of like an art film?

Yeah, that's beautiful. Lessons of darkness. I mean, there is some voiceover at the start, because he sort of de-politicizes it.

Well, he doesn't de-politicize it, but he changes the politics of it by saying this is footage from an unknown planet.

And in fact, when that film came out, Lessons of Darkness many criticized him for aestheticizing the horrors, which I don't think time has been kind of that judgment. But anyway, go ahead.

Well, you know, I have to say I actually never got through that one, and I think it was because, and it's probably the only Werner Herzog film I've ever turned off.

I mean, mainly it was just I wasn't in the mood to watch like a fairly sort of plotting art film.

Boom.

But I wasn't in the mood to watch it that night. What can I say?

But I do think I did have a little bit of that feeling that he was unhelpfully de-politicizing a bit.

So maybe you can watch that sometime and have another like crossfire style episode like we did with our recent take on Adam McKay's vice, which you know, people seem to like hearing us at each other's throats.

So yeah, wings of hope. Tell me about this one. What happens in it?

So wings of hope. This was a made for TV one. I don't know. I would recommend this one. You know, it's just a really fun like 50-minute sit.

I mean, it's an incredible story. It's one of these things that Herzog finds and is able to tell a really compelling story about.

It's a story of a woman named Julianne who was a German woman who spent a lot of time in Peru growing up.

And one day she was taking a flight over the Andes and basically the plane disintegrated in mid-air. It was apparently hit by lightning.

You know, it was this notoriously bad airline, but you know, it had these cheap seats. So she and her mom got on this plane.

One of the reasons for Herzog's interest in it is that he had tried to book a seat on the same plane and couldn't get a ticket.

So if this airline had been a little better at sorting out their ticketing situation, Werner Herzog would also have been on this flight and he probably would have died.

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