Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Sean Atwood channel with myself Ron Swanson and the ever fabulous Mr John Wager

Whistleblower ex-UK policeman bit of an underpants swimming legend

But he's here tonight to talk about Michael Banner, which we'll get to into just a minute. I just want to say

Our little podcast from my mom's house last week John right is sitting on about 65,000 views

Unbelievable, isn't it and we have got Julia this Sunday.

Julia is of course.

Yes, yes, she was happy.

Yeah.

She's the Polish.

Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.

The Polish Madeline McCowns.

She's been in contact with me for quite a while and she said John I don't want to be called a liar. I said but I'll have to call you a liar because I think Madeline is dead and as I said to officially in my head you're dead.

But again, you know I'm not knocking her or I'm there to put down a suggestion.

If I can get your platform, let's do it, let's do it let's do it she's been okay.

Well here's the thing my mind is so diverse right that I'm not I won't allow myself to make up my mind on a decision, on a theory.

All of the theories are right until we know what the facts are. You see what I'm saying?

So...

None of us were there, well this this is the thing and we can have firm beliefs in something but firm beliefs in another because I believe it's healthy to define the parameters of A the the situation we're describing, so is Madeline alive, give me your, you know, your conclusion, if that makes sense.

And I've got so many theories. I mean I definitely believe I think after last week if a gun was put to my head

I would go with the accidental death and hiding if I'm being honest. Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

I did another Madeline podcast or another guy who set up his own channel

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