A little inside information for you here. A little behind the scenes glimpse. When I prepare for an

interview, I always know what I'm planning to talk to the person about, what the focus of the

interview will be. Because an interview is not a conversation. It's not just about visiting and

getting to know somebody really broadly and generally.

Now, I prepare a plan for where I expect the interview to go.

And then sometimes, in the interview, the plan changes.

Something comes to light that I was unprepared for,

because the guest has never talked about it before

and chooses to do so on this program in this

interview. In this week's case, about four or five minutes into the interview.

It's DeResh Mode. I'm John Moe. I'm glad you're here.

I hear the bells down in the canyons.

It's snow in New York.

Some blue December, I'm gone to the moon about you girl and I'm calling to you

throughout the world and all I can.

Hear the bells are ringing, joyful and triumphant.

And I can hear the bells are ringing joyful and triumphant in.

That's I Hear the Bells by Mike Doty from his 2005 album Haughty Melodic.

Mike is many things. Music, author, person in recovery from a substance use disorder. Mike tours all over the world with his

music, has a large and devoted fan base. He's written two memoirs and a book of poetry,

and released 18 studio albums, live albums, and EPs, all since 2000.

Why since 2000? Because that's when his band, Soul Coughing, broke up. Very eclectic band,

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