When was your hardest time?

My hardest time?

In your five guys, Jenny.

Well, I went through a very painful divorce and went through something called leave to

remove, which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

It's essentially the right to have your children taken out of the country.

So I had two young children who, the court system approved leave to remove, which allowed

my ex to take my kids back to America, which was incredibly painful.

And my whole view of myself, my definition of who I was, changed.

I thought of myself as a great partner, good husband, good father, devoted father.

I was in politics back in America, was involved in my community and church leader and businessmen.

And I thought, you know, all these things are who I am.

And essentially, all of that was, you know, quite a large bonfire of vanities.

And that was a real dark, dark moment for me.

And there were days when five guys was the one thing in my life that was stable and that

I could hold on to.

It really pulled me through a very difficult, dark time, personally.

How long did that process last?

That's part of the UK challenge.

It took years, a better part of two years were in that process.

And then, you know, trying to rebuild those relationships.

And thankfully, I'm in an amazing place with my kids now and have, you know, accepted

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