Okay, hey everyone.

Welcome back to the What Is Money Show.

I'm sitting down today with Mr.

Santiago Veles, who is the co-founder of Block Digital.

And this has been a long time coming.

So I appreciate you coming on the show today.

Robert, as I told you off camera, you're one of my idols, a big shaper of my thought process.

So I'm like super excited to be here.

Thanks.

I'm honored to have you here as well.

And thank you so much for that.

So let's just jump in the deep end.

What is money to you, Santiago?

Like the most convenient and beautiful lie we could ever tell each other.

That's how I would phrase it.

Money, I think, is just a super interesting social contract.

It's like an abstraction that just facilitates so many things for us,

makes life efficient. And it does mean purchasing power, which is kind of one of the things that I've taken from so many of your talks. And I think it's a huge responsibility for who the caretaker of that, of money is in a society.

And I think that it's one of the things that's been abused in that role.

So to me, listening to a lot of your interviews, what's become apparent is how

desperate we are in need of a better lie, if you will, a better abstraction to a more

responsible one and one that creates more opportunity. So that's money for me. And honestly, I

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