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Hey everybody, it's Joe Trippie, and welcome back to that Trippy show with Alex Ashlow.

Alex is out again this week, but we're also going to do something a little different.

Joining me today is Ginia Simpkin, one of the co-founders of Says Us,

and somebody I deeply respect is understanding about bots and censorship and what's going on today in the world of social media and how it's impacting people.

I've got a lot of questions.

I'm sure you do too.

But, you know, first of all is what the hell just really happened and what impact the

social networks did they have on this election, the bots, the algorithms and all those things.

Jenny, welcome to the show. Hey, Joe. Thank you. Great to be here. You know, I want to start first

just to give people some of your background. You and I first met

when you and Michael Sprague were building Samadot online. And I want you to explain what that is

and how it's working and why. I mean, sort of your commitment to democracy and the freedom of speech

and those things and sort of capsulize that for people.

Sure. So actually, before I say that, I'm going to actually add another maybe 15 seconds

of some preamble about who I am and why any of this is important to me. This is all very

personal because I fled from Soviet Russia when I was a child back in the late 70s.

So I have the personal experience of seeing the contrast and knowing, you know, with my own skin and bones, what it means to live

in a dictatorship, an actual dictatorship under an actual fascistic regime. And, you know,

thereby I come across my own personal, deeply held beliefs about freedom

of expression and all the other freedoms that the West confers on us.

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