Moving to the American dream? (update)

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🗓️ 6 November 2024

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Summary

Back in the 90s, the federal government ran a bold experiment, giving people vouchers to move out of high-poverty neighborhoods into low-poverty ones. They wanted to test if housing policy could be hope – whether an address change alone could improve jobs, earnings and education.

The answer to that seems obvious. But it did not at all turn out as they expected.

Years later, when new researchers went back to the data on this experiment, they stumbled on something big. Something that is changing housing policy across the country today.

Today's episode was originally hosted by Karen Duffin, produced by Aviva DeKornfeld, and edited by Bryant Urstadt. The update was hosted by Amanda Aronczyk, produced by Sean Saldana and fact checked by Sierra Juarez. Our supervising executive producer is Alex Goldmark.

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1:00.6	Five years ago, we did an episode about the American dream.
1:04.3	What does it take to climb up that economic ladder?
1:06.7	And how real is that ladder anyway?
1:15.5	Well, since then, there's been kind of an explosion in answers to those questions, led by work from Raj Chetty and his team based at Harvard.
1:18.2	They've got some new workout just recently.
1:26.5	So here's our original episode, and then we'll talk with Raj Chetty about the latest insight into the American Dream from 2024.
1:29.2	Here is Karen Duffin back in 2019.
1:36.6	Once upon a time, in a cubicle not so far away, sat a government bureaucrat in his government issued chair preparing for a very big meeting. It was 1994, and Mark Schroeder was an economist at HUD, the Department of Housing and Urban Development,
1:47.4	and his team in D.C. had just flown in local public housing authorities from five major cities.
1:53.9	Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York.
1:56.9	The staff gathers in a basement conference room. It's about 30 people.
2:18.1	These are people who run what's now known as the Section 8 voucher program, which is a voucher that subsidizes rent for low-income families. It's like a monthly payment to a landlord. Families can wait years on waiting list just to get one. Everyone settles into their chairs, you know, sipping their government-brewed coffee,
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