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Death, Sex & Money

My Secret Life as a Hoarder

Death, Sex & Money

Slate Podcasts

Business, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Careers, Relationships, Sexuality

4.67.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Elizabeth* has a secret life as a hoarder. None of her colleagues or family members know that her apartment is filled to the brim with garbage bags, discarded hobbies and beautiful writing paper. Instead, she hosts an anonymous podcast detailing her struggles and efforts to declutter. In this episode, she talks to Anna about her complicated relationship with objects, how it relates to money anxiety and sexual identity, and how she’s trying to be more honest with people in her life.  * Elizabeth is a pseudonym. Her podcast is called, That Hoarder: Overcome Compulsive Hoarding. Also this week, a listener asked for recommendations on how to rekindle old friendships. Have thoughts? Send them to [email protected]. Here are some links to episodes, and Slate advice, on friendship.  Opportunity Costs: Friendship and Fertility Books We Love: A Big Conversation About “Big Friendship” Between Friends: Stories About Race and Friendship Advice Week: Friendship Edition   Podcast production by Zoe Azulay Death, Sex & Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, Slate Plus! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at slate.com/dsmplus. And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I am an untidy person and I feel bad about it. It causes conflict in my home and I've tried to figure

0:09.3

out what's at the root of it. Sometimes I think I haven't stepped up to adulthood. I worry what I'm

0:16.1

modeling to my kids. And I sometimes wonder how it connects to how my brain works, what I see and don't see around the house, and also

0:26.2

how I respond to overwhelm and stress.

0:30.3

Because some people, like my husband, find decluttering and order soothing.

0:36.6

I am not like that.

0:39.0

I very rarely stop to reorganize a space, and I maybe even feel comforted by piles, each

0:46.7

corner a little archive of a moment. As a kid I loved the feeling of slipping my feet under the clothes I had piled up at the end of my bed,

0:57.7

my own DIY-weighted blanket. But really, why can't I just be more tidy? I want to be. But organizing and choosing

1:08.9

what stays and goes, pausing and thinking, huh, let me just do some cleaning right now. That is never

1:16.2

automatic for me. To be less of a slob, I feel like I am having to retrain my brain and that this is very embarrassing to admit.

1:28.7

My guest this week knows about this shame and how the shame can lead to more avoidance of just

1:36.2

dealing with your stuff and then overwhelm and then secrecy and isolation.

1:43.0

Because when we judge how people keep their living spaces,

1:47.6

we are also talking about morality and status.

1:52.2

If your home is well appointed, we decide it means you are responsible and

1:57.4

grown and it's also likely you have either the time and money to make everything

2:02.2

just so. If your place is sloppy or crowded

2:06.6

with stuff that doesn't have its own place, the judgment goes. You are juvenile,

2:11.4

generally not up to the task of doing what it takes.

2:16.2

That's especially true if you're a woman.

2:19.6

My guess this week is a self-described hoarder. This is different than being messy. She has so much stuff

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