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Nicole Perlroth on the cyber-weapons arms race

Axios Re:Cap

Axios

Daily News, News

4.5705 Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2021

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

The U.S. government last year discovered that it was the victim of the largest-ever cybersecurity breach in its history, in which Russian hackers allegedly used a software exploit to access a deep trove of sensitive information. It was the latest escalation in a digital battle that is only expected to escalate, via a global black market where governments can buy everything from ways to hack laptop cameras to power grids. Dan goes deeper with Nicole Perlroth, a New York Times cybersecurity reporter who just published a book titled "This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends."

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Dan Pramak and welcome to Axios Recap.

0:06.0

Today is Tuesday, February 16th.

0:08.0

Bitcoin is up above 50,000, power remains down in big parts of Texas, and we're focused on the cyber weapons arms race.

0:20.0

Last year, the U.S. government discovered it was the victim of the largest ever cyber security

0:25.7

breach in its history, whereby Russian hackers allegedly used a backdoor in the software

0:30.9

of a vendor called SolarWinds to access all sorts of sensitive information.

0:36.1

Subsequently, there have been allegations that Chinese hackers

0:38.6

also exploited a flaw in the SolarWind software, just exacerbating a national security emergency

0:44.2

whose depth continues to be investigated. What is known, though, is that the Solar Winds hack is

0:50.7

more about escalation than innovation. Cyber espionage, it's not new, and America

0:56.5

over the years has been as much the actor as the acted upon. Moreover, many of the hackers

1:01.8

involved aren't government employees or on government payrolls. They're independent contractors

1:06.8

who sell to governments, effectively creating a global black market for ways to access everything

1:12.4

from your email account to your city's power grid.

1:15.4

That's the subject matter explored by Nicole Perl Roth, a cybersecurity reporter for the New York

1:19.8

Times in her new book titled This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends.

1:24.6

And we are pleased today to be joined by Nicole.

1:30.2

So, Nicole, let's start here.

1:34.9

I called you a cybersecurity reporter, but from reading your book, I think that would get me some eye rolls from hackers. What should I really say you cover? I see cybersecurity, but everyone

1:40.9

else says Infosec, but I'm the Infosec reporter at the New York Times. But these days,

1:45.5

it's more about nation state espionage. So I added digital espionage to my title. Oh, I like that.

1:52.3

Digital espionage. All right. So your book obviously goes deep into geopolitics, et cetera,

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