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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

No.10’s Command and Control Problem – plus Biden and Britain

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6252 Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2021

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

What’s the reality of No.10’s control over government? Is our supposedly superpowered centre really strong enough to command all the organs of state? Do we have too many generalists and too few specialists, and do we even need Special Advisors? Nick Timothy, Theresa May’s former Chief of Staff, joins us to look at the dismal science of “deliverology”. Plus, what will Joe Biden’s arrival mean for Britain? And what was it like dealing with Donald Trump from within No.10? “I mainly spend my time thinking ‘Thank God I’m not advising a Prime Minister right now’…” – Nick Timothy  “For a highly centralised state, we have a surprisingly weak centre of government.” – Alex Thomas “Downing Street was a bit like a sleeping drunk at a party. You’d be going about your life but periodically Downing Street would wake up and start shouting. Then you’ve have to put all your energies into getting them back to sleep.” – Nick Timothy “It’s a real problem that Cabinet doesn’t sit down and set out collective objectives… If you’ve got 570 priorities then you don’t have any.” – Jill Rutter “Special Advisors can be all-powerful or nothing at all. They can practically run a department or be a bag-carrier – or try to run a department with the abilities of a bag-carrier. I’d scrap them altogether.” – Nick Timothy “Donald Trump was a terrible President to deal with but even he didn’t manage to ruin the UK-US relationship.” – Nick Timothy Presented by Bronwen Maddox with Alex Thomas and Jill Rutter. Audio production by Alex Rees See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome back to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government.

0:14.7

I'm Bronwyn Maddox. It's been another week dominated by more awful COVID-19 numbers,

0:19.9

further progress, but inevitable stutters on the vaccine rollout,

0:23.4

and always in the background, sometimes in the foreground, the effects of the UK's departure from the EU.

0:29.2

But for this week's episode of the podcast, I want us take a step back, or rather a step inside,

0:34.7

and take a closer look at how number 10 operates, where the levers of power are

0:38.6

in the centre of government, which of those levers don't work so well, how decisions turn into

0:43.5

action, and the obstacles that stand in the way of a Prime Minister getting things done.

0:48.3

So to make sense of it all, I'm joined by three people with first-hand experience of life

0:52.4

at the heart of government. Jill Rutter, IFG Senior Fellow Veteran of the Treasury in Number 10, is with us. Hi, Jill.

0:59.1

Hi, I.

1:00.4

Alex Thomas, who leads the IFG's work on the Civil Service and as a former civil servant

1:04.6

with experience of the centre of government is with us too. Hi, Alex. Hi, Abolman.

1:08.9

And I'm delighted to be joined in our virtual studio today by Nick Timothy, who worked in number

1:13.1

10 as Thruzemae's chief of staff for the first year of her premiership.

1:17.0

Nick, great to have you with us today.

1:18.7

Thanks for having me, Heli.

1:20.2

You found yourself wondering what it would be like to be advising a Prime Minister now?

1:25.4

I mainly spend my time thinking, thank God. I'm not advising a prime minister right now.

1:30.1

The circumstances are so difficult.

1:33.3

That was what was on my mind.

1:35.1

Well, thanks for being with us.

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