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talking about everything from our relationship with Trump's America to Instagram poetry.

And joining me are two Times columnists whose own special relationship has so far survived the Trump presidency,

and they are Libby Purvis. Hello, Libby. Hello. And James Marriott. Hello, James.

Good morning. I don't mean to embarrass you to you by suggesting there's a special relationship,

but I feel there is. Which of you is America, would you say? I think Libby's America. I'm so

not America. That would suggest that while you feel you have a very strong relationship with Libby.

He's one of these, he's one of these kind of East Coast Harvard-y intellectual types who reads books

and thinks a lot. That's James. I think Libya is the super, now we're just going to flatter

each other, but Libya is surely the superpower. And I'm just the, we have a kind of transatlantic

alliance or something. What does that make you?

I'm not sure who that makes me. Maybe you're our Greenland. I was going for Canada. I think Greenland's

a little bit, a little bit more down the list. Libby? I am the old empire. The old empire. I like it.

That's good. Yeah, I think I'm a citizen of nowhere. It just travels around between these various places.

Ah, you're a Scott. There we go. That'll do. Let's start with America, as one so often must.

Well, I want to talk about how America is treating countries around the world, not just Britain.

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