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Casey chalk's writings appear often in the Federalist, the American Conservative, and a

spectator, and he's author of many things, including the persecuted, true stories of

courageous Christians living their faith in Muslim lands, which actually we discussed

on the podcast last year, I think. He also has a new book called The Obscurity of Scripture,

disputing Sol de Scriptura and the Protestant notion of biblical perspicuity.

That's our topic today.

Welcome, Casey.

Hey, Mark.

Thank you so much for having me on again.

All right, we know each other.

We're on a first name basis, which is good.

The opposite of your title, not obscurity, but rather clarity of Scripture, is something of a dogma in the Christian circles, isn't it?

How does that work?

Yeah, so in the book, I argue that, and this is, I mean, I think a pretty controversial claim to make,

certainly for Protestants, is that clarity or perspicuity, as it's, you know, more known in academic circles,

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