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com. media. F.M. Welcome to Navara F.M. or

or crash course with Michael Walker depending on which feed

you're listening to this on. As you can guess, I'm Michael Walker.

I usually host Navara Live at Navara Media, but they're giving me the chance to host a Navara FM this time around. It's Navarro Media's big ideas podcast, Crash Course with Michael Walker, if you hadn't heard of it,

is my chance to get out of the news cycle and which I'm often in on Navarro Live and talk about

topics in some real depth. Now my first

series of that podcast was all about rent and the housing crisis which I think

is why chow ravens asked me to host this episode of Navarro

which is on those themes. My guest on this episode is Nick Bano. Nick is a housing barrister who's just released a book which has

made quite a lot of waves online in recent days and weeks. That's in part because of a guardian article he wrote in connection to the book which argued

that we don't really have a housing shortage and that there isn't really a lack of supply in this country and that the root cause of the housing crisis

is simply the issue of landlords profiteering.

Now if you followed my previous work you'll know that I'm not a massive fan of landlords,

but I do actually have some big theoretical and empirical disagreements with Nick Bano.

So a big part of this conversation is a bit of a debate about how much supply matters when it comes to housing. I think it matters. Nick doesn't. He's coming from an explicitly Marxist perspective I suppose I'm coming from you can make your mind up as you listen to it

the podcast isn't just a debate about supply and demand though.

We also talk about some of the really interesting historical analyses that Nick has in the book,

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