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I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

This is There Are No Girls on the Internet, where we explore the intersection of identity, technology, and social media.

And today, I want to talk about what's going on with NPR National Public Radio.

Or honestly, I guess I should say that I don't really want to talk about it.

If anything, I kind of don't want to. This is the kind of

story that I would probably be tuning out. But it's been kind of a one-to-punch with this NPR

story that dovetails with some of the issues that we've talked a lot about here on there

are No Girls on the Internet. And I also want to connect them to some larger tech lessons that

folks clearly have not learned. So let's get into it.

Yuri Berliner, who had been NPR's senior business editor up until recently, published a piece

in free press, basically calling out the fact that audiences have lost trust in national

public radio or NPR as an institution.

And basically, Berliner blames

whokeness and DEI for this larger distrust in journalism more broadly. In his piece,

he argues that NPR used to be really balanced and fair and curious. But as he puts it,

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