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NS#246: What do the Brexit elite want?

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🗓️ 30 November 2017

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Helen and Stephen discuss the Brexit negotiations and the lack of progress on the Irish border question. Then, they wonder what Labour is up to at the moment. Finally, they answer a listener question: how sinister is the Legatum Institute?

Contact us on Twitter @ns_podcasts, @helenlewis or @stephenkb

Further reading:

Fred Studemann on German politics.

Stephen in 2016 on Michael Gove and the single market.



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0:00.0

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0:20.8

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0:25.9

It tells the extraordinary story of the double revolution that engulfed the Labour Party after 2015,

0:31.6

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0:35.7

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0:39.7

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1:06.0

Listen to eight years hard labour wherever you get your podcasts. On this week's new statesman podcast Stephen and I discuss Brexit and the Northern Irish border.

1:07.0

Where are those 56-57 who knows Brexit position papers?

1:11.1

And we ask is the Legartatum Institute sinister or just wrong?

1:15.0

So Stephen let's talk about, you know what we should talk about.

1:26.0

We should talk about Brexit.

1:28.0

We should talk about Brexit.

1:29.0

So I did an event with Nick Clegg at the Cambridge Literary Festival, which is sponsored by the New Statesman,

1:33.7

and he said, look, where he feels that Brexit will pan out will be that you'll get essentially these things

1:38.5

for heads of agreement, so broad kind of like, and we will sort this out and we will do this and everything will be great

1:45.2

When it comes before Parliament for a vote and MPs will essentially vote on that and then the idea then will be that all of the kind of really difficult stuff is going to be ironed out during the transition

1:54.2

period.

1:55.2

And I said, isn't the one exception to that the Northern Irish border because you can't fudge it, you can't

1:59.6

just go and something will happen with the Northern Irish border border and that's why they've become completely stuck on it and fixated on it.

2:06.4

But it says something very, very bad about the future negotiations on Brexit because it says that actually underneath all this hand waving

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