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NS#266: Len McCluskey Speaks His Mind

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🗓️ 26 April 2018

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Helen and Stephen discuss the Brexiteers' magical thinking on the customs union, Len McCluskey's forthright intervention on anti-Semitism in the Labour party in this week's New Statesman magazine, and the new statue of Millicent Fawcett in Parliament Square.

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Further reading:

Len McCluskey: The Corbyn ulitmatum.



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0:00.0

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0:20.0

I'm David Arullovich. Listen to my new series from Tortoise, Eight Years Hard Labour.

0:25.9

It tells the extraordinary story of the double revolution that engulfed the Labour Party after 2015,

0:31.6

from centre left to hard left and back again, the battles and

0:35.7

disasters that accompanied them and the two men who led those revolutions,

0:39.7

Jeremy Corbyn and Kiea.

1:06.0

Listen to eight years hard labour wherever you get your podcasts. Hello I'm Stephen and I'm Helen and on this week's new station podcast we talk about yes you guessed it it's Brexit we talk about statues and whether there should be more women in

1:10.4

Parliament's got or who else we might have? Stephen do we have to talk about Brexit?

1:20.0

Stephen do we have to talk about Brexit? Yes, I'm afraid we do. Not only do we have to talk about Brexit this week, but it is going to come back.

1:28.0

Brexit is going to become the regular thing we talk about every week again and I know I know I don't

1:33.7

I don't want it to be quite so full of glee at this but if this makes any

1:37.6

sense I think we've found I've had three phases of Brexit there was the

1:40.5

pre-referendum mendacious you know, the Turks are coming, Brexit will be great, France will pay for it.

1:47.0

There was the kind of gritty procedural, you know, here's how Article 50 process works, here's our withdrawal agreement works, here's how citizens' rights and grandfathering and withdrawal clauses work.

1:58.0

And then after the agreement in principle in December, we entered what I think it was a magical realist phase, right?

2:03.0

Yeah, when is a border not a border?

2:05.0

Can you have...

2:06.0

Why has everyone got the same name?

2:07.0

Yeah.

2:08.0

Can you have customs checks without customs checks kind of things?

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