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NS#271: Referendums β€” Yes or No?

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πŸ—“οΈ 31 May 2018

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Helen and Stephen discuss the Yes vote in the Irish referendum on repealing the eighth amendment, and then go head to head on whether referendums are a good way of making political decisions.

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0:00.0

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0:20.0

I'm David Arullovich. Listen to my new series from Tortoise, Eight Years Hard Labour.

0:25.9

It tells the extraordinary story of the double revolution that engulfed the Labour Party after 2015,

0:31.6

from centre left to hard left and back again, the battles and

0:35.7

disasters that accompanied them and the two men who led those revolutions,

0:39.7

Jeremy Corbyn and Kiea.

1:13.0

Listen to eight years hard labour wherever you get your podcasts. Hi I'm Helen and I'm Stephen and on this week's new states from podcast I talk about what it was like to be in Ireland over the abortion referendum weekend and we talk in great great length about the use and abuse of referendum. I'm kind of against them.

1:14.0

Stephen's kind of for them.

1:15.0

Who will win?

1:16.0

There's only one way to find out, and that's listening to us,

1:18.0

talk about it for quite some time.

1:20.0

So Stephen, I'm just back from Dublin where I've been over the weekend

1:27.2

covering the Irish referendum to repeal the Eighth Amendment to the

1:30.2

Constitution which is now going to lead to a much more liberal abortion regime.

1:34.8

The T-Shok, Leo Raker, is bringing in legislation hopefully by the end of the year.

1:40.6

I have to say it was incredible. So there was all this sort of stuff beforehand and

1:44.5

Fragram himself had said you know we won't be triumpless about it I don't want any

1:47.2

kind of celebrations but actually the mood really kind of was celebratory I was in

1:51.4

Dublin castle where they announced results and they didn't have a big screen like they did with the gay marriage result.

1:55.6

But people were just gathering there because it meant something really special to them, right? It just meant that and that the campaign was so well directed that it really felt like what actually what we were celebrating was the end of a lot of misery for women and that's something that I think people really did feel that they could they could celebrate.

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