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podcast this week I talked to Obama's National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes about

Syria, Iran and Brexit and we discuss whether or not Britain could end up with no deal.

I'm joined by Ben Rhodes, who is deputy national Security Advisor to Barrick Obama, his Foreign Policy Speech

writer and a key architect of the Iran nuclear deal. He's also the author of the world as it is, which is published now by Bodley Head.

Hello Ben, welcome to the podcast.

One of the things I really liked about your book,

which is surprisingly funny,

apart from other things, which is nice thing

about books about foreign policy,

you start chapter five with this great question,

which is one of those questions that's incredibly simple but actually really

forces you to think about fundamentals, which is what is US foreign policy?

And you kind of describe the fact that there's US aid about kind of HIV prevention programs and encouraging

trade deals and also obviously military matters.

But can you articulate what the fundamental principles of the Obama White House's foreign policy

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