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The culture is the culture.

It's four to six, A to B, competitive excellence, and the brotherhood.

The plan to win has never changed.

So the culture here and the plan to win is always going to be here in a lot of state.

Welcome back to 4 to 6 with A&B, your high state podcast brought to you by The Athletic.

This is Bill Landis and playing the role of Ari Wasserman in this afternoon or morning or evening show, whichever time we're listening to this, is Audrey Snyder, our Penn State beatwriter.

Four to six with A&B still holds true even though Ari is not here.

And the takes will not be nearly as scorching as Ari's.

And I'm not going to eat any crazy laced potato chip with whatever hot crap he's into these days.

Yeah, we don't do that on this podcast. I don't know why Ari and Andy continue to put each other's health on the line with

stupid bets on college football games.

We don't do that on 4 to 6 with A&B.

It's also easier because the only games we pick are Ohio State games and those tend to go one way just about all the time.

Must be nice, Phil.

Must be nice.

Yeah.

I don't think there'd be much intrigue there if we played it that way. But Ohio State is playing Penn State Saturday night in Ohio Stadium, not the big house,

is James Franklin incorrectly labeled it on.

Focused on Illinois, too.

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