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🗓️ 12 January 2024
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0:00 The long road leading to the Gaza War
9:14 Don’t Palestinians have some responsibility for the current state of affairs?
9:48 The precedent of the 1973 Yom Kippur War
11:26 Omer: Israel only negotiates under pressure
13:31 Netanyahu and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin
15:27 The US’s military support for Israel
16:32 The origins of Hamas
20:20 Omer: Netanyahu’s coalition is “a mirror image of Hamas”
24:45 The threat to democracy in Israel
26:27 Omer: Netanyahu is driving the country to the right in order to avoid a corruption trial
30:07 How “Jewish supremacists” have gained control of Israel’s government
34:01 Why Omer’s Zionism does not commit him to defending Israel’s actions
36:46 The risk of genocide in Gaza
40:05 The IDF’s procedure in the Gaza invasion
43:09 What will happen to the Gazan refugees?
45:00 The international community’s role in finding a resolution to the Gaza War
48:17 Is the IDF “the most moral army in the world”?
54:39 The revenge motive
57:07 Omer: The campaign in Gaza is a fiasco
59:38 A US-led plan for “the day after”
1:04:37 Is peace in Israel a pollyannaish pipe dream?
Recorded January 2, 2023
Links and Readings
Benny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel-Palestine Conflict
Omer’s New Statesman piece, “Both Netanyahu and Hamas see this crisis as an opportunity”
Omer’s NYT op-ed, “What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide”
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0:38.0 | Thank you. |
0:42.0 | Hello Omar, how are you? |
0:44.0 | Hi, I'm good considering the circumstances. |
0:49.0 | Indeed, thank you for coming on the show. |
0:52.9 | Let me introduce us. |
0:53.9 | I am Glenn Lowry. |
0:56.1 | I'm the Mertens Stolts professor of the Social Sciences |
0:58.6 | at Brown University and John Paulson Senior Fellow |
1:01.7 | at the Manhattan Institute. |
1:04.2 | I want you to know that the Manhattan Institute sponsors the Glen Show |
1:07.0 | for which I'm grateful. |
1:09.6 | And I'm joined today by Omar Bartov, who is the Samuel Pissar Professor of Holocaust and Genocide |
1:17.0 | Studies in the Department of History at Brown University. |
1:21.2 | My colleague, I have known his acquaintance for many years here at Brown, |
1:26.3 | but we haven't had a whole lot of conversation with each other, but in any case, |
1:31.2 | Omer has agreed to join me and to talk about the war in Gaza and Israel and about the moral and political implications of it for us as citizens of the world and for himself as a scholar and historian of |
1:45.7 | genocide studies. So thanks Omar again for coming on the show. |
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