So after we read this book and we realized that it wasn't as like meaty as it could have been,

we thought that since the book itself does not provide very many examples of the concept,

we thought we would provide a couple examples. So me and Peter have both pulled a couple of

little, I'm trying to say examples again, little exemplars of what we think is some of the

specific bullshit that we are surrounded by. So yeah, what are yours, Peter?

Maybe the foremost example quote unquote is not a discrete example, but Donald Trump as a concept.

Yeah, that's the obvious one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I think a lot of people began rediscovering this thesis in the Trump era. There were a lot

of people writing about him using this framework, essentially because Trump's relationship with the

truth felt very unique, right? Yeah. Like politicians who lie are not a new thing, but he's a liar

doesn't feel like an adequate explanation of what Trump was doing or why he was doing it.

Yeah, it's kind of incredible. But I was like digging around for examples of just like Donald

Trump saying bullshit and it's overwhelming. Like he used to say during the primaries that the

United States had the highest taxes in the world and people would be like, no, that's not true.

But he just kept saying it, right? And I think that this really crystallized for me when in the

first week of his presidency, he claimed that his inauguration crowds were larger than Obama's,

right? Yeah. Which in and of itself is just sort of a lie. But then he trotted out Sean Spicer

in a press conference, right? Yeah. To like dig in on this. And the thing is that there were

bird's eye images of the inauguration, right? You could just see side by side that Obama's had more.

Yeah. There was sort of like surreal moment where Trump and his people were all denying the

obvious reality of what we were looking at. Yeah. Like literally denying what was in front of

all of our faces. Yeah. And that's where I think this analysis becomes useful because lying

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