Does grief have a cure or at least is there a prescribed path that one can push

themselves through? We've turned this question over with you many times over the

the years on the show. We did a collaboration with Radio Lab about the five

stages of grief and learned that Elizabeth Kubler Ross came up with that

framework about your own dying, not how you respond to losing

someone.

I talked with Dr. Bonnie Chen last year about the death of her toddler, Benji. And grief doesn't just come from losing someone because of death.

Anyone who's ever been heartbroken by a breakup knows this. Part of that sadness is envisioning how life can go on

without the person you thought you'd be with. I think each of us knows from our own grief that the only way to deal with it is to go through it.

But that probably also hasn't stopped us from telling someone we love how they might feel just a little bit better in their grief.

I mean who among us hasn't told a friend that the best way to get over someone is to get under someone

else, right? Cody Delastradi's mom died in his early 20s. And in his

new book, The Grief Cure, he takes us along as he tries all these things that we look to in grief

psychedelics, comfort from books, even a breakup boot camp and chatting with a computer-generated version of his mother.

spoiler, like everyone who's ever looked for a silver bullet to grief, Cody did not find one.

But the process he goes through,

and the different ways he found understanding and community

make this book, and my conversation with him, a really welcome salve for anyone trying to hold on to someone or something that's gone.

There is always a sort of a buck up buddy, as she would say ethos, too.

Moving on, you face the challenges of life, you grapple with them,

and you move forward.

And I think honestly, in my grief,

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