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Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast. I'm Matt Chawley and we are getting saucy on the

podcast today. We are talking about anonymous sources. Are you fed up with the

British politics? Is there a role for the political reporting? Or is it just an

opportunity for people to spout off any old nonsense with no consequences?

So Craig Oliver, former director of communications at number 10, used to be quite a

sin at the BBC before that. He thinks they've gone too far, but we need to curb their use.

We'll also hear from Lucy Fisher, Times Radio's chief political commentator on the use of

sources for journalists. And David Hersenhorn, an American journalist, now works for Politico

in Brussels, but he can tell us how the Americans are much stricter about the use of sourcing.

Though that's coming up on the podcast in just a moment. First, as ever, it's our

Colourless panel, no Rachel Sylvester this week, so be joined by Libby Perwiss and Cowell Lewis.

So let's talk about spouses working in parliamentary offices.

It's probably the smallest of the details of the David Warburton story,

this MP who's been accused of sexual harassment, taking drugs, taking a loan from a Russian,

which he's now paid back. But he also employs his wife, Harriet, overseeing HR matters,

which makes it slightly difficult if someone wants to make a complaint about the boss,

because the boss is married to the person you have to make a complaint.

This morning, the Welsh actually Simon Hart defended the idea of employing spouses. He said

it was insulting to question MP's decisions, and that it offered tax pay, and this was his defense.

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