Ooh, you’re hard! – How seriously should we take ‘Hard Labour’?

Oh God, What Now?

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Politics, Government, News, Society & Culture

4.6 • 2.5K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Crossover edition with hit pod The Two Matts. What the hell is ‘Hard Labour’? Is it Blue Labour in disguise, Old Labour on steroids, or Starmerism’s inevitable final form? The New European’s Matt Kelly and Matt D’Ancona join Zöe Grünewald and Dorian Lynskey to look at Labour’s identity crisis. Plus: Fortress Europe vs Trump 2.0, The Beatles vs Andrew Tate in the battle for young men’s minds in the Extra Bit… and we invent “base-punching”. • Dorian’s Introduction to Father John Misty playlist. • Back us on Patreon for ad-free listening, bonus materials and more. Written and presented by Dorian Lynskey and Zöe Grünewald with special guests Matt Kelly and Matt D’Ancona. Audio production by Robin Leeburn. Theme music by Cornershop. Produced by Chris Jones. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Advertising helps fund our podcasts, but we know some of our listeners would prefer the shows without adverts.
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0:10.4	and you'll be helping independent podcasting to thrive. Follow the link in the show notes to find out more.
0:25.4	Welcome to Oh God What Now.
0:26.5	I'm Dorian Linsky.
0:30.6	On today's show, it's the dawn of hard labour, according to Jason Cowley in the Times.
0:33.9	It sounds like blue labour on steroids, but should we take it seriously?
0:37.0	And if so, is it just labour for people who don't like labour?
0:41.0	Plus, how is the European Union facing up to President Trump so far?
0:46.0	And in the extra bit for subscribers, if Andrew Tate is the worst kind of role model for masculinity,
0:47.2	who are the best?
0:49.1	Let's meet today's panel.
0:51.5	First, Westminster editor for the lead, Zoe Grunewold.
0:52.0	Hi, Zoe.
0:52.4	Hello.
0:55.4	You'll be excited to hear that List Trust is reportedly thinking of signing up her own free speech social media platform. Is there a gap in the
1:00.6	market for a more right-wing version of X? A more right-wing version of X. I'm trying to imagine
1:06.0	what that would be like. No, I don't think so. there's two things here. The first is that Liz Trust will
1:12.6	continue to say anything she can just to be relevant and any opportunity she gets to say, you know,
1:17.2	she was cut off at the knees by the British state, she was silent, she's not able to say what
1:21.8	she really thinks. She's not, she's not finished yet, which is another terrifying prospect.
1:28.9	She will say, I also think, you know, if you look at other kind of competitors to X, like, for example, Trump's platform, Truth Social, that became a means by which individual investors could show support for Trump as well.
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