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start listening terms apply hi i'm laura vander cam i'm laura van der kam i'm Hi, I'm Laura Vandercam.

I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker.

And I'm Sarah Hart Unger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, and course creator.

We are two working parents who love our careers and our families.

Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. From figuring

out child care to mapping out long-term career goals, we want you to get the most out of life.

Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. This is Laura. This episode is airing in early December of 24.

Sarah is going to be interviewing Shira Gill, who is the author of the new book, Lifestyle. People may know her from various minimalist writings over the years.

They will talk about all things organizing and style, et cetera.

Sarah, what are your thoughts on organizing currently?

I love talking about organizing.

I love reading things about organizing.

I love thinking about what my house would be like if it was organized. I do not actually like

organizing. And that was perhaps, I mean, we said we were going to talk too much in any of our

episodes about our goals for the past year or the upcoming year because we have episodes devoted to

those things. But I seem to recall that organizing the house may have been a goal for you this year.

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