Hey everybody, this is Aubrey Chavez from Faith Matters.

Today we're so excited to share with you a conversation that we had with Lisa Olson Tate and Scott Hales,

two of the historians and general editors behind Saints, the Church's official history series.

With this recent release of Volume 4, which covers the years of 1955 to 2020,

this monumental task of recounting the church's story from its founding to its

present day is now complete. And in this especially candid discussion, Lisa and Scott reflect on

the church's evolving approach to its own history through the years. They both share a deep

commitment to transparency and accuracy, and they discuss how this volume takes some really deliberate

steps to address challenging topics, including the priesthood temple ban, the church's rapid

global growth in the subsequent correlation efforts of the 1960s, and how that changed shaped

women's roles in autonomy within the community. They share some powerful stories of ordinary

members navigating these pivotal moments,

from Black Latter Day Saints who held on to hope during the painful years before 1978,

and those who quietly and actively worked for change. These stories offer a vision of

discipleship that embrace courage, resilience, creativity, and deep faith, a model that feels

especially relevant today.

This conversation was a beautiful reminder that each of us is part of a rich, unfolding history,

a history that connects us to generations of saints who face their own challenges and whose

courage and faithfulness have blessed us today. We hope that it inspires you to see your

own place in this story. And with that, here's our conversation with Lisa and Scott.

All right.

Well, Lisa, welcome back to the podcast.

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