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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late month series, Real Time with Bill Ma.

Okay, welcome to overtime with the bestselling author and host of CNN's Fareed Zakaria's DPS Fareed Zakaria,

and the former mayor of Chicago and former ambassador to Japan, Rahm Emanuel,

and Chief of Staff, weren't you?

You don't think that's a more impressive credit than those other two?

Chief of Staff of the White House?

I feel like that is the biggest job you can have in this country behind the president.

Isn't that the gatekeeper of everything, the Chief of Staff?

It is the gatekeeper, but the biggest job is mayor.

Of Chicago.

Yeah.

And then Chief of Staff is the worst job until you get through it

and then you look back fondly on it.

But going through it is sheer.

They don't last long.

I mean, like, it's so intense, right, that you can only do it for a lot.

18 to 19 months is the modern average.

Right.

Yeah.

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