Hey, welcome, Dr. Pai Kessler. I appreciate you all being here. As always, we have great guests,

great suggestions coming our way. You can send those to contacteddoctordo.com. And do check out some

of this stuff you got going on. I think you would find the streaming show. We call it Ask Dr. Drew.

It's Tuesday Wednesday. There's a three o'clock. You can get it. Dr. Drew.TV. And like I always say, send

your suggestions. We're happy to take them. Today, Dr. Owen Muir, he has many things going on. The

substack is the frontier psychiatrist, all one word with the article in front of it, the frontier

psychiatrist. You can check out his substack there. There's a forthcoming book called Don't Panic,

a psychiatrist guide to handling your life's most difficult problems. Obviously, Dr. Muir is a

psychiatrist. He's also boarded in child and adolescent psychiatry as well. And there's a lot we can

talk about. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. Long time fan, your public health

efforts over the years have inspired me since high school. You know, it's funny that thank you for

saying that that you you see it as a public health effort because that was my original intent,

which was I was I was a medical resident. I was up to my eyeballs and AIDS patients. We were we

just started calling it AIDS. It was called grids six months before. And and I had an opportunity to

go on a radio show. Anthony Fauci was out there saying you got to educate, got to educate,

kept saying they're going to be too many of dead. Too many are going to die if we don't get

out there and educate. And so I had this opportunity. I thought, no, I'll take the measure to

take this kind of seriously. I should do this. And I was shocked that young no one was talking to

young people in 1984, 1985 about anything related to sexual health, let alone this horrible disease

that was just devastating the gay community. It was just an incredible sort of a ha moment for me.

And I always saw what I was doing as reinkering it in medical and public health and trying to

change health behavior. So thank you for noticing that. Well, part of it, I mean, I've been listening

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