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The Trojan Horse Affair

Part 6: Cucumbers and Cooker Bombs

The Trojan Horse Affair

Serial Productions & The New York Times

News, Society & Culture

4.67.5K Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Hamza takes a long, hard look at what the government found when it investigated more than 20 majority-Muslim schools in Birmingham. And our two reporters have a confrontation – with each other.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I didn't feel great after I gave Hamza a hard time for going off on Richie Thompson, the

0:07.0

British humanist.

0:08.6

And truth is, it wasn't the first time I'd done something like that, where I called him

0:11.6

out for crossing lines I thought he shouldn't be crossing as a journalist.

0:15.2

The first time was early on in our working together.

0:18.2

Hey, Hamza, how's it going?

0:22.4

It was my last week of journalism school, as I was cramming to get my final project

0:26.4

done. One Brian got in touch, saying we needed to talk.

0:30.4

I'm good, what's good, I'm good and I'm good.

0:33.4

Well, it's not great, honestly.

0:35.4

Oh, good.

0:37.4

So I just got this email.

0:40.0

This was when we were looking into early primary school, trying to find information about

0:43.5

the head teacher, Rizwan O'Dar, and the four teaching assistants who said their resignation

0:47.6

letters had been faked.

0:50.6

One Brian requested records from the employment tribunal about the case.

0:54.0

The tribunal contacted the people involved to ask whether they wanted the records released.

0:59.0

Turns out, some of them did not.

1:02.0

Brian started reading a letter to me that just been sent to the tribunal by the three Muslim

1:06.3

TAs in response to his request.

1:09.0

The main responsibility of a journalist is to report the news in a truthful, unbiased,

1:13.4

and apolitical way, and to educate the public about events and issues and how they affect

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